How do I set up a position round roll off because of a tie?
Question asked by Rita Evans - December 29, 2015 at 3:17 PM
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Last week during position round the first and third place teams ended up tying for the quarter.  A single game roll off was done to determine the winner.  I have inserted a usbc roll off for that same night but can't find where to enter the scores.

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Rita, while I will answer this to the best of my availability, I still would like to know the version number of BLS-2016. This is because there was an issue with the newly-added tie breaker for this season, which has been resolved in late October. If your version is older, you may have issues that answers here won't fix. The version number comes in a format of 28.0x.xx and is visible in gold at the bottom of the window when first launched, and also in the title bar, upper left of the main window. Posting that version number with your support question tells us that you're up to date (it really isn't sufficient to just say "latest version" as it's possible that another update may be present). See my signature below...please check for updates and if available, download and install. 
 
I am guessing that you are still in the week number of your described position round and that you've entered all scores for that week, and your tie breaker is inserted between that week number and the first week number of the subsequent quarter.
 
To illustrate, I will use (only as an example) that your position round was week 16 (of 32 weeks), and that you just finished the second quarter, and the third quarter commences with week 17, and that you have a tie breaker set to the same date as week 16 (since it was bowled the same night). The numbers in this paragraph are  example only...you could be at week 14 of 28, or something else.
 
In your main screen, you likely are seeing (in blue) "Week 16 of 32" (or your appropriate numbers). The buttons below that have appropriate numbers and the green button to the right reads "Tie Breaker 1" (presuming this is the first tie breaker you need to use). You would click on that green button, which advances you to the tie breaker, and then you should be able to easily enter the scores for the one game bowled.
 
You don't necessarily have to manually set up your lane assignments to place the two teams involved against each other, but that would help as they'd be together, plus if any high scores were bowled, the awards form would have the correct lane number.
 
I am not trying to guess your week numbers or length of season, just offering a numerical example. If you can substitute your actual week numbers, and try what I've described, let us know if you've come to a solution...or, if still stuck, provide a few more details, which could be what you are actually seeing and what you are expecting to see instead. But, check for an update first.
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Hi Frank, I do not have BLS 2016. I have BLS 2015 version #27.03.07.  Yes, we are in week 16 and I have manually inserted a USBC roll off, just not sure where to go from there!  I will check for an update in the mean time. Thank you!
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I apologize, as I missed that you had correctly tagged BLS-2015. However, the version number that you mention in your response dates back all the way to just after 2014 Labor Day. BLS provides updates many times at no charge with the same top version number (all BLS-2015 are 27.##.##, BLS-2016 28.##.##, and so on).
 
You haven't said how you inserted the roll-off...did you do it at the end of the schedule? In BLS-2015 (and older), you would instead have to manually do the following (detailed below because I don't know what your steps were):
 
1. In Rules, General Rules tab: You would have to increase the number of weeks bowled by one. That's because BLS-2015 would need a separate "week" to account for the scores bowled in the roll off.
2. In Rules, Split Season tab: You would have to change each of your splits (quarters) to begin with weeks 1, 9, 18, 26 (instead of 1, 9, 17, 25 because week 17 would be the roll-off). Change the date for week 17 to be the same as week 16.
3. In the Lane Assignments screen, you would make week 17 "USBC Roll Off - Scores Count". Then, once in week 17, you would use the Reset/Fix Dates button to the right to automatically adjust the dates for weeks 18-33 back to what weeks 17-32 were. However, once in the third quarter, your league's week numbers will be numbered one higher than they previously were.
4. After week 16 is bowled and a tie found to have occurred after that week, you would advance to week 17. You could, in the Lane Assignments screen, modify the lane assignments to put the two teams against each other on the lanes bowled, and then enter the one-game scores for the bowlers of those two teams only as usual, after which you would do the normal things after week 16 would be bowled.
 
I have a hunch that you inserted the roll off, but that you have it inserted at the end of the schedule (week 33?)...you would really have to do it essentially similar to how I described it above so that the roll-off fits into the schedule in sequence.
 
I am not employed by CDE Software; I am only a user like yourself, but I strongly urge you to upgrade to BLS-2016. The up-charge is only $29 and the ability to insert a tie breaker is but one of the many new features introduced for this season. By inserting that in the manner I described in my initial response above (again, only possible in BLS-2016), week 17 will remain as the first week of your third quarter, and you'd have the week numbers numbered as originally presented, rather than have to tell the league members that week 24 won't be the end of the third quarter, but week 25 instead would be, and so on.
 
To get BLS-2016 at the $29 rate, you would have to include (and be) the name/organization for the BLS-2015 license, as it can only be upgraded to the same user, per the terms of the software license. The entire process is done on-line; you would be provided with a temporary license key that you can insert into BLS-2016, which you can then download from the CDE website and use immediately, after which you would receive your own permanent code in a few days.
 
If I am way off, please let me know...I can only respond based on what's presented, often I need to ask questions about how something was attempted, or advise based on general assumptions (like I did when I guessed your league to be 32 weeks, 8 weeks each quarter...the numbers made sense to me). Meanwhile, please get into a routine to check for updates. CDE Software has a page on Facebook where downloadable updates are posted, although you don't necessarily have to download/install every single update.
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Hi again!  I really want to thank you for all of your help!  I have updated and am now running 27.08.03.  I have done what you said and it works to a point.  I need for the averages to remain the same as they were for the one game roll off.  I have tried to change them but have not been successful!  I would appreciate your input on this!  Thank you so very much!
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When you say that "averages (need) to remain the same as they were for the one game roll off", do you mean that averages used for the roll-off need to be the same as those used for the position round just completed, or that the games are not to count toward individual averages for bowling after the roll-off?
 
I will tell you how to override the averages for the position round, but first I will describe that this may be unnecessary or improper, for three reasons:
 
1. If modifying the averages doesn't have in impact on the outcome of the roll-off (would only apply if the outcome was a close margin, and enough bowlers’ averages changed sufficiently to matter), such a change would be a moot point. Also, the scores bowled in the roll-off are to be included in the bowlers’ averages for all bowling after that point.
 
2. USBC Rule 113b, paragraph 1, item B states that the scores bowled in the position round that preceded the roll-off must be included in the averages, unless your league has a standing rule stating otherwise. That means that the averages reported by BLS would be correct.
 
3. Paragraph 2 states that the scores become part of averages going forward. 
 
Rule 113b is on page 52 of this season’s rule book, the essential parts reading:
 
113b. Procedures.
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1. The following procedures apply, unless the league rules state otherwise:
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b. Handicap is figured as of the date/time the games are bowled. All games bowled prior to the competition(s) are included in determining handicap.
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2. Games are counted toward individual averages.
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Essentially, since the position round was a completed league session, and the roll-off occurred afterward, it would stand that the averages, if changed by the scores bowled in said position round, would be part of the average applied to the roll-off.
 
I am not making an official USBC ruling here, just pointing out a rule that may apply in either of these cases. Anyway, to override averages (if that is necessary per your league rules):
  1. With the scores entry screen open for each team, note the bowler averages as applied, and note those bowler(s) whose averages need to be overridden. 
  2. Click the button “Overrides” at the top center of the window.
  3. In the left column, highlight a bowler name whose average needs to be different. (The averages not overridden do not display.)
  4. In the center column, highlight the field under “Ave per Game” and to the right of “G1”.
  5. Key in the average to be used.
  6. If another bowler on that team needs an average overridden, repeat steps 3-5 above.
  7. When all overrides are entered, click “Return”.
  8. Press “Home” on your keyboard to change to the other team, and follow steps 2-7 above in the same manner.
There is really no way to make the scores not count toward individual averages. I believe that USBC would hold this to be the case regardless of a league rule.
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I will leave the averages alone then!  But I cannot thank you enough for all of your help!  

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